Kashyyyk didn't even fit the LucasArts description, see KotoR.

I haven't even noticed the music in Episodes 2 and 3. It's essentially not there. =(

If the Jedi could sense life, not only could they have sensed all the dumb surprises going on but also that Padme had twins. Stupid, stupid, stupid....

I agree with nearly everything you said, sadly. But you missed the Vader Angst... I burst out laughing during the "NOOOOOOO" scene. All I could think about was Calculon:

Humorbot5.0: "Calculon, do you want to set up this clip from All * My * Circuits?"
Calculon: "No, I think it's self-explanatory."
Calculon in clip: "Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!"
Robo-audience: *applause, ending sharply*
Calculon: "Funny story. The script called for me to say 'yes', but I gave it a little twist."
Humorbot5.0: "Anecdote accepted. Snappy come-back not found."

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who decided that the whole movie happened in the span of 3 days.

Coruscant might not have had its planetary shield yet, maybe. Except that in Wedge's Gamble it was made clear that the enormous power conduits for the shield generators were ancient...

Theoretically the Jedi Fighters might have only had rayshielding, protecting them only against beam weapons, not physical contact.

Ah well, I was really looking forward to the Jedi of old having force powers. Some Jedi other than Yoda, I mean. He did a decent job of absorbing the force lightning Palpatine was throwing, but man, I wanted some Corran Horn-style absorb-lightning-AND-lightsabers-and-throw-it-back-as-a-tornado! Or at least a few instances of trickery, Force healing - hell, maybe Force Speed or Force Jump. But no, nothing we didn't see in Episode 6 and Episode 2.

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-Anakin and Obi-wan shouldn't have been able to crash-land that burning hulk of half a ship. They would have impacted Coruscant's planetary shield - in place to not only protect the planet-wide city from attack, but to prevent burning hulks of ships and falling battle debris from laying waste to kilometers of of it.

Grievous had just kidnapped Palpatine from the surface after landing a significant assult force (see the Clone Wars microseries). I suspect the shield had been shut down, at least in that area, via sabotage.

-Those little fighters Obi-wan and Anakin were flying had to have shields - making Anakin's little "scraping off the teeny droids" stunt impossible. Shields extend for several yards around a ship of any size. They wouldn't have been able to get that close.

Not neccessarily. They seem to be very early TIE fighters, possibly even the rumored T.I.E. fighters (you can tell from the sound their engines make). It's quite possible they didn't have shields.

-Did Lucas simply forget that Jedi can sense one another through the Force? I counted several times when a Jedi was surprised by someone, or failed to use that ability. Such as, Obi-wan not realizing it was Anakin behind him when Anakin jumped back into the lift; Anakin not sensing Obi-wan's presence on Padme's ship on that lava planet; Palpatine's silly line "He's alive," when standing before Anakin's charred body, as if it were a surprise; All those Jedi failing to sense the sudden hostile intent of the clone troopers about to kill them (though at least Yoda did); and so on.

Jedi can hide themselves from such Force sensing, which explains the Jedi catching each other off-guard. Its part of how Obi-Wan and Yoda were able to hide from Vader for 18 years (we were actually discussing it at the Star Wars game - Vader detected Obi-Wan on the Death Star because he was actively searching for him, Obi-Wan was close by, and wanted to face Vader). As for the clones, as was stated in the Thrawn books, clones are difficult to read in the force - sort of a static from them being basically the same being. And this from a powerful Jedi (Luke) with relatively few clones. Having a literal army of clones at your back has to play hell with danger sense. Plus, they acted pretty quickly after getting the order.

-C-3PO is a protocol droid! NOT a pilot! Him flying Padme off to the lava planet was simply ridiculous.

Actually, C-3P0 was programmed by Anakin, which could have allowed for some piloting skill - his memory was wiped between eps III and IV, so he might have lost such programming between time. He also didn't seem to be anything more than a competent pilot flying a civilian ship. Lastly, in the canon books, C-3P0 does get some rudimentary skill in running ships, several times getting the Falcon powered up for Han.

-Not to mention the issues with having R2 as part of the backstory.
Obi-wan - "I don't remember ever owning a droid before. Very curious."
R2-D2 - "But Master Kenobi, remember all those silly antics I pulled way back when? I just wanted attention..."

He was Anakin's droid then, and there is more than one R2 unit in the galaxy.


-Palpatine's explanation that the Jedi attack left him "scarred and disfigured" makes no sense - every senator in the council chamber must have been thinking, Then hop in a bacta tank, you dolt. I know I was.

Bacta promotes healing, but still can leave scars, if the intial wounds were severe enoiugh. Plus, if a Jedi did it, they could have done stuff with the Force - the Senators seemed like a pretty gullible bunch, and the Jedi were insular enough that they probably knew little of the Force.

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Wow... that didn't fit all in one post...

-Anakin should have had no reason to worry about Padme dying in childbirth in a galaxy advanced enough to have faster-than-light space travel, bacta, etc. Maybe in the backwater systems of the galaxy (like Tatooine) that might have been an issue, but they were living in the shining capital of the entire galactic Republic. Yeesh.

Maybe. Medical technology can only do so much... Plus, she she did end up having the babies on a backwater planet - she and Anakin did have a habit of ending up in such places on regular occasions, too.

-Why didn't Obi-wan put Anakin out of his misery, when he lay there legless and on fire? Just staring while Anakin burned seems pretty cold, despite his crimes. A quick stab with a lightsaber would've ended it cleanly.

Hard to say... he may of thought Anakin was already dead - Anakin could have pulled the Force into himself to the point where his presence was effectively nil in order to survive - could also explain Palpatine's surprise to find him alive. Beside, Obi-wan was pretty pissed. Sure, it would a bit Dark Side-y, but he might have wanted Anakin to suffer.

As for the rest... I agree. The hyperspace thing and the lack of nice, big wroshyr trees on Kashyyyk bugged me quite a bit.

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Grievous had just kidnapped Palpatine from the surface after landing a significant assult force (see the Clone Wars microseries). I suspect the shield had been shut down, at least in that area, via sabotage.

That's possible.

They seem to be very early TIE fighters, possibly even the rumored T.I.E. fighters (you can tell from the sound their engines make). It's quite possible they didn't have shields.

Except that you see several of them taking shots and not exploding.

Jedi can hide themselves from such Force sensing, which explains the Jedi catching each other off-guard. Its part of how Obi-Wan and Yoda were able to hide from Vader for 18 years (we were actually discussing it at the Star Wars game - Vader detected Obi-Wan on the Death Star because he was actively searching for him, Obi-Wan was close by, and wanted to face Vader). As for the clones, as was stated in the Thrawn books, clones are difficult to read in the force - sort of a static from them being basically the same being. And this from a powerful Jedi (Luke) with relatively few clones. Having a literal army of clones at your back has to play hell with danger sense. Plus, they acted pretty quickly after getting the order.

There is a link between master and student that would be very difficult to mute. It would make sense for Obi-wan to try to hide himself on Padme's ship (and for years later, on Tatooine), but there was no reason for Anakin to do so on Greivous' ship. The master-apprentice link explains why Palpatine sensed Anakin's danger (one of only 4 good uses of the Force-link ability I counted in the entire film) from systems away. (And Vader wasn't searching for Obi-wan on the Death Star, he simply felt the undisguisable presence of his former master.) The Force-presence similarity of clones disrupted Luke's ability to sense subtleties about the emotional state of the clones he met, but Luke (at the time of the Thrawn series) had very little training. Sudden hostile intent, and intent to betray are pretty high on the emotional spectrum, and that should certainly have registered for the Jedi. The fact that Yoda sensed it, and the other master we saw didn't, I think is simply Lucas glossing over things to make his movie progress.

Maybe. Medical technology can only do so much... Plus, she she did end up having the babies on a backwater planet - she and Anakin did have a habit of ending up in such places on regular occasions, too.

You die in (or after) childbirth for any of 3 reasons: Infection, pain, or blood loss. The first is easily countered by medical technology that allows you to reconstruct limbs without infection. The second by simple anesthesia. The third easily by medical technology with such things as synflesh and supressor fields. Barring those, there is always the ancient art of whole blood transfusion. It would have made more sense for Anakin to fear Padme getting murdered by Seperatists, or something.

And another thing, Anakin was a good four feet away from the edge of the lava when he suddently combusted. He and Obiwan were closer than that for much of their battle. Why didn't their robes or hair at least catch on fire? Or leave them with little char marks? Obi-wan left that battle looking windblown, but not even sweaty. ¬_¬

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I second the disgruntledness about the childbirth issue and the lava issue. Furthermore, can someone reconcile Leia's comments about her mother in ep. 6 with Padme's sudden death? I don't buy that Leia remembered anything from seconds after birth. Was she perhaps referring to her foster mother??

-Odette (who generally enjoyed the movie but will willing join in any nitpicking)

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I believe she was referring to her foster mother, Bail Organa's wife (was she ever given a name?). Even if she wasn't before, she pretty much has to be, now. ;)

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Sad. That comment had much more subtext when it applied to Padme.

-Odette

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I distinctly remember Luke asking something along the lines of "Do you remember your real mother?"

The moment Padme's eyes closed, I think half the audience went "But Leia *remembers* her mother!" Though I think I might've been the only one who said that out loud...

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Speaking of the moment Padme's eyes closed...one of the few things faker than her labor was her death. That was weak.

-Odette

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I love the line "You're breaking my heart!" I think it's supposed to explain why she dies. It doesn't. I think it was poorly scripted, poorly acted, and hilarious to listen to.

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Nah, she dies for the same reason Palpatine mentions Midichlorians -- to piss off the fans. ;)

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I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. =P

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Kashyyk is a planet of beautiful beaches, with large banyan trees clustering the shore. Further inland, the planet is completely barren and uninhabitable, making it such that the natives (large furry beasts given to reggae and running around in nothing but bandoleers) must live in the trees on the shoreline.
- From Guide to Planets, Vol. 13

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Funny how in KotOR I had to go hundreds of feet down to even *see* the bottom. And never saw a beach.

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Heh, no kidding. Stupid beach battle.

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